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Who said you can't coin your own term? What is "Boning the Fish"? It's a moment. A defining moment when you know that your favorite TV Show, Celebrity, Movie Series or Music Group has reached its peak. That instant you know from now on...it's all downhill. Some call it a climax of sorts. We call it "Boning the fish". From that moment on things will simply never be the same.

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Ax Men - TV Shows
Bo-o-o-o-o-ring!!!!!! -- Submitted By: (BrewMaster) on October 28, 2009, 7:42 pm

Avis - Random Topics
Heaven help you if one of their rental cars hits yours. You will likely be confronted by insurance incompetence of galactic proportions. -- Submitted By: (BrewMaster) on October 28, 2009, 7:38 pm

Cloverfield - Movie Series
I thought it was a very impressive, tense and memorable film with by likeable people in a relentless and thrilling predicament. It's one of the few films of recent times (aside from The Orphanage and Watchmen) to really leave a deep and memorable impression on me afterwards. -- Submitted By: (Tanlee) on October 28, 2009, 7:36 pm

Superman - Movie Series
I voted Superman IV- The Quest for Peace. The first two films were solid of course. The third film had its flaws (a not very memorable villain, rather random plotting, and a supercomputer in the ending that seems to have been pulled out of the writer's hat) but it also had its charms, particularly in regards to the Smallville scenes and Superman turning bad and having that metaphysical fight with himself, and I'm willing to overlook the comical edge and slapstick since it gives the film the nostalgic feel of a 1940's film. But Superman IV- The Quest for Peace, it wasn't good. It didn't quite have the humour of the previous films, Superman wasn't up against anything really threatening, the film seemed to be a string of contrived set-pieces that went nowhere (the recap of the Superman and Lois flying together, and the bit where Nuclear Man decides to fly around the world causing random chaos and Superman keeps cleaning up after him to the point where it becomes so predictable it becomes boring and really makes you miss when the Superman films really were inspired and spontaneous stuff). But all that said, I would take Superman IV over the more recent Superman Returns anyday. At least Superman IV actually felt like a Superman film and had some hints of the old spirit and enthusiasm, rather than being some dour, grey, depressing, numbingly overstylised and lifeless film that Superman and Lois seem to have stumbled into by mistake. -- Submitted By: (Tanlee) on October 28, 2009, 7:28 pm

Battlestar Galactica 2004 - TV Shows
Jumped at the beginning of Series Three. The show had been mostly good up until that point. A bit po faced, pretentious and macho with a tendency for sound and fury melodrama but it was mostly a solid show that held up and was worth a watch, and the Pegasus episodes were the show's best. Then in Season 3 things turned really mean spirited, with Conoel Tigh having his eye gouged out for no good reason, and his wife sleeping with a Cylon (there'd been a horrible whiff of misogyny in how the show presented Tigh's wife but here it just went too far), and then when Tigh found out he killed her. It was just completely out of character for Tigh to do that to his wife, and it was forced in a very brutal way. After that we got the episode Collaborators which was more of the same kind of character assasination where suddenly the cast of characters lost all conscience or genuine sense of will and motivation and simply became pawns for a wrtiting team that loved to make them commit amoral and murderous actions for sensationalist purposes. The whole thing became impenetrably pretentious and devoid of any humanity. Everything about that season was just mean spirited, depressing, meandering, self-involved rubbish that destroyed all good will I had to the show and left me completely unable to care about what would happen next to the characters. The only redeeming aspects of the third season were the interrogation and trial of Baltar with Adama making a brilliant speech about the madness of the lynch mob that Galactica had become. But other than that I did not watch beyond the third season and have no desire to in the future. -- Submitted By: (Tanlee) on October 28, 2009, 5:39 pm

Battlestar Galactica 2004 - TV Shows
I voted the New Caprica business. I think it was a pretty good sci-fi show up to that point, even despite a tendency towards just loud sound and fury (I thought the scene in Season 1 where Cally is held hostage on the prison ship and is nearly raped was needlessly nasty and sensationalist). But all the same the Pegasus episodes in Season 2 were the best of the bunch. Then come Season 3 it went downhill. I'd always felt quite uncomfortable with the misogynistic portrayal of Conoel Tigh's wife, but here it went into nasty extremes with her sleeping with Cyclons to gain her husband's release only for Tigh to find out and poison her to death. This just seemed so out of character for him and forced in a very brutal way. From that point on the show just became impenetrably pretentious and nasty with no genuine humanity to it, characters simply became subservient pawns for the writers when they wanted them to do something amoral or sensationalist and to have no conscience about it. The whole season from there was just so depressing and meandering and mean spirited that it destroyed all good will I had for the show, and I ceased to care what happened to the characters anymore. Only the lead up to Baltar's trial (particularly Adama's brilliant speech about how 'we're not a civilisation anymore, we're a gang') made it just about worthwhile watching. But other than that I haven't bothered with it since Season 3. -- Submitted By: (Tanlee) on October 28, 2009, 5:22 pm

ESPN - Random Topics
Simply put: ESPN boned the fish because just about all of the personalities have been getting in scandals! There have been two this year that were worth noting; I don't even want to get started on those! I had a feeling ESPN was headed to the pits of...the other place when in 2002 we had that HBO-like Bobby Knight movie on. That was when ESPN, THE SPORTS NETWORK, started to show off its "adult" side. Heck, even the commercials aren't family-friendly! R-rated movies, ED pills, even stuff you can find at Walmart...all with an edge!!!!! (How are families supposed to have a pleasant Chili's dinner now?) ESPN, you have served us well for the past 30 years. I appreciate your bring back classic clips and all that, but because of your recent mishaps, I am throwing in the towel. I will, however, still catch the college football games, though. The moral story: no Disney network (ABC, Disney Channel, Disney XD, ABC Family, ESPN, etc.) is safe when it comes to family-friendliness!!!!! R.I.P. ESPN 1979-2009 ((Goes to watch Universal Sports on free-to-air NBC)) -- Submitted By: (SVN) on October 28, 2009, 5:00 pm

Terminator - Movie Series
In some ways the franchise would have been better leaving it with Terminator 2- Judgement Day, but actually I thought Terminator 3 was an impressive and kick ass film- the only trouble is that it meant there had to be a fourth film to show what the future war would be like, and it was something I'd always wanted to see, but Terminator Salvation was such a disappointment. It was a vacuous, ramshackle, plotless and forgettable film with no real heart to it- the scene where one soldier is told about his brother's death and he couldn't react with any less emotion if he tried sums it up. The first three films and the TV show (which I actually thought was alright) had a raw sense of heart and of making a difference and the human spirit, and had been building up the future John Connor as this mythic, superhuman heroic figure who inspires confidence, respect and hope in everyone. As it happens Terminator Salvation finally showed us this figure, only for the film to not even be interested in him. There was no centre or focus to the film and it ended with a sense of nothing achieved or learned. -- Submitted By: (Tanlee) on October 28, 2009, 4:24 pm

Alien Movies - Movie Series
Alien 3 is where it jumped. Yeah I'd agree the whole arbitary killing off of Newt and Hicks was a horrible start, but overall I think the problem with Alien 3 is that it just isn't engaging or involving. The first two films sucked you in and held your attention. This one just feels like a tedious and utterly depressing time-killing exercise. There's nothing sympathetic about the characters, nothing enticing about its environment, nothing thrilling about the predicament because you don't care what the alien does anymore, it won't be anything new. Its like the makers knew they'd have an assured audience of fans on the strength of the previous films and didn't feel the need to make it involving or engaging. The Alien vs Predator films are much the same and Alien Resurrection just felt incoherent, and like Alien 3 it was populated by nasty characters and a repellently mean spirited tone. Should have ended it with Aliens. -- Submitted By: (Tanlee) on October 28, 2009, 4:07 pm

Star Trek - Movie Series
Star Trek V- The Final Frontier. Up till this point the Star Trek films were on the up. Even The Motion Picture had its chilling moments, but Star Trek II- Wrath of Khan was a big step up, then Star Trek III was a transitionary film and Star Trek IV- The Voyage Home was the best of the lot. With the series on the up and featuring characters that for twenty years had honed their magic and charm, for some unexplained reason Star Trek V- The Final Frontier suddenly made the franchise feel desperate. Gone was the organic storytelling and naturally spontaneous characters and in its place was this embarrasing, undignified and contrived display of cheap slapstick jokes at the expense of the characters. Still it had its moments. Star Trek VI- The Undiscovered Country was a great return to form, Generations I actually thought was a very powerful, haunting film. First Contact was fun to watch the first few times but it was ultimately a rather shallow 'greatest hits' shopping list package. Insurrection was terrible, Nemesis was quite good in my opinion, and the new Star Trek film was mostly impressive but marred by the odd need to rewrite the canon rather than just declare it an unconnected remake, and as ConfusedMatthew pointed out the villain had no decent motivation and the Kobayashi Maru scene just made Kirk look like he was having a laugh rather than proving an intellectual point. -- Submitted By: (Tanlee) on October 28, 2009, 4:02 pm

Rolling Stones, The - Music Groups
Should've packed it in after Exile on Main Street. Nothing else afterward was as good. -- Submitted By: (mojojojo) on October 28, 2009, 12:50 pm

Red Dwarf - TV Shows
Series 7. Even in the first two episodes with Rimmer the show was becoming overblown, gratuitous and nasty, for example the AR scene where Lister cheats his way into the queen's pants. But when Rimmer left and Kochanski took over they tried to force the same kind of antagonistic dynamic there'd been between Rimmer and Lister, except this time with Kochanski and Kryten. But there was nothing natural or sympathetic about this rivalry. It was forced in a way that made Kryten behave extremely out of character in being jealous and hostile towards Kochanski and neurotically trying to highlight every petty problem he had with her slightest faults or habits, which proved problematic because Kochanski didn't have much of a character to pick realistic fault with. It was just unpleasant and mind-numbingly unrelenting and vindictive and there was no way to relate to it, suddenly the Dwarfers no longer seemed like a group of people you'd want to hang out with. Duct Soup was nothing but a needless, mean spirited parade of misery and from beginning to end it was just the crew being nasty to each other with nothing achieved or understood at the end. The final laughs also started to become extremely cheap. Series 8 was something of a pick up but the solid plotting wasn't really there anymore, and comedy scenes became random and no longer evolved naturally from the story or plot. The final episode bordered on incoherent. Back to Earth was pretty unfunny and unsatisfying. Ideally the show should have ended with either Back to Reality, or the Out of Time cliffhanger (in which case end it with the 'To Be Continued' caption removed so that its clear this is the end) -- Submitted By: (Tanlee) on October 28, 2009, 9:57 am

Doctor Who - TV Shows
Jumped when John Nathan Turner took over as producer in 1980, blacklisting the older writers who could write the show in their sleep, removing all character, spontanaeity, humour and imagination and substance from the show, and turning the show into a hollow, soulless, ugly and sensationalist nerd trap full of unlikeable companions, pathetic ineffectual, self-obsessed Doctors prone to acting completely out of character, and contrived, humourless, adolescent and heartless stories that barely qualified as fan-fiction and were often so desperate to be downbeat they had to reduce the Doctor into a shadow of himself. Eventually racking up enough bad episodes that formed a corrosive critical mass, eroding all that was good and enjoyable about the show. Castrovalva is where the show should have ended- it saw the new guy Peter Davison taking over from Tom Baker, and saw the evil Master seemingly vanquished for good. Time-Flight was the first major shark jump. Millions of viewers tuned in after the buzz of Earthshock, and probably went away thinking the whole show was that cheap, dull and appalingly written. The scene where the Doctor and his companions are grieving Adric for a minute before acting bored and changing the subject is particularly offensive, crass and insincere- paving the way for character assassinations of the Doctor and stories ridden by pointless, contrived massacres followed up by some hypocritical moralising speech from the Doctor to pretend the story had something to say. The Five Doctors is where things might have gotten back on track if John Nathan Turner had left here. It was a fun, involving old school episode that was a treat for the fans but might also have engaged new viewers. Warriors of the Deep is the point where the show becomes utterly unsalvageable, as the story completely destroys the Doctor as a hero, turning him into a criminally negligent appeaser who places the enemy's life over the lives of the innocent and has a pathetic crisis of conscience about a kill or be killed situation. This is the point where script editor Eric Saward's body counts equal drama approach takes hold for the worse, and the only way out of this dead end its taken the character of the Doctor down is to go to the other extreme and making him a homicidal jackass with Colin Baker's Doctor. The show is now heading for such an inevitable and disastrous fall in The Twin Dilemma that not even something of the quality calibre of Caves of Androzani can turn things around. New Who started to jump the shark around the time of World War III and The Long Game which were hollow, dumbed down and forced comedy stories but mostly held up well for its first season which managed to be more than the sum of its parts. The real jump the shark point however was The Idiot's Lantern where all believability left the building and the Doctor became simply an obnoxious cartoon character. Things only got worse from there with grand turkeys like Love & Monsters, Army of Ghosts/Doomsday, Gridlock, The Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords and the most recent special Planet of the Dead. -- Submitted By: (Tanlee) on October 28, 2009, 9:43 am

Alice - TV Shows
This show boned from day one. Someone convinced CBS to make a TV show based off the movie called "Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore". The film was an Oscar nominated drama (for it's screenplay) and it gets turned into a piece of crap comedy that needed cammed laughter for people to know it was suppose to be funny. Add in the death nail of Linda Lavin's singing and the whole thing turns into one flaming bag of dog poo on the doorsteps of humanity. -- Submitted By: (meQal) on October 28, 2009, 5:49 am

Dancing With the Stars - TV Shows
Eventually their definition of what makes a person a celebrity is going to reach a point where it is someone who is well known in their neighborhood. Should be called Dancing With the Has-Beens and Never Was. It is just mildy better than nails grating on a chalkboard. -- Submitted By: (meQal) on October 28, 2009, 5:27 am

John Boy and Billy - Random Topics
I absolutely hate this show. It's never funny. It came on the only real classic rock station in the mornings and was just plain obnoxious to listen to. I turned the radio off rather than listen to this junk. -- Submitted By: (bigred13) on October 28, 2009, 4:31 am

Halloween (Holiday) - Random Topics
Halloween was a community event a chance to get out ant for the children and parents to walk and get to know the community. Halloween boned with over hyped stories of poison at every house and pedophiles on every corner unnecessarily spooking the parents. In addition, malls got into the act. Now parents take their children to the malls and sucked the life out of the streets on Halloween. -- Submitted By: (scatcatpdx) on October 27, 2009, 8:37 pm

Hot Shots! - Movie Series
Same Airplane joke different Movie. -- Submitted By: (scatcatpdx) on October 27, 2009, 8:23 pm

NCIS - TV Shows
I always thought the original name was dumb (Navy Naval Criminal Investigative Service?). I was sorry to see Kate get killed, but it increases the tension knowing that any regular cast member might be killed. -- Submitted By: (Rvbuilder) on October 27, 2009, 1:24 pm

Rockford Files, The - TV Shows
I liked The Rockford Files when it was on prime-time TV, and I still watch reruns. The only thing that really bugged me was that after the first few times he gets beat up you would think Jim might think twice about answering his door without looking first. -- Submitted By: (Rvbuilder) on October 27, 2009, 1:20 pm

Vegetarianism - Random Topics
I'm not a vegetarian & don't see a problem with it in general, but some vegetarians are in the same camp as those co-workers or people you meet on the street who **constantly** announce that they & their family don't have a TV in their home. I'm happy for you... Now, move on to the next subject. Please! -- Submitted By: (samhokum) on October 26, 2009, 9:33 pm

That '70s Show - TV Shows
Strenikstund, that sums it up perfectly. Producers and writers rarely know when to end a show. You cannot set a show in high school and keep it on for more than four years. It is too much of a change. -- Submitted By: (MCS) on October 26, 2009, 9:31 pm

That '80s Show - TV Shows
I think we are just at the right time to make a show about the 80s. It would have to have a bit of a different format but it could work. In about five years we can make one about the 90s. (I'm getting old). :( -- Submitted By: (MCS) on October 26, 2009, 9:26 pm

American South, The - Random Topics
I have family from North Carolina and living in other Southern states so I certainly have no dislike of Southerners as a whole. I also might add that it is a very interesting and beautiful place to visit, I just couldn't live there. (The humidity would kill me). The only ones I have little respect for are the ones who don't realize that the Civil War ended in 1865. Get over it! Nobody is even alive from that time period. You can believe what you want about the cause that was fought for but the fact is, the South lost and it was over 140 years ago. -- Submitted By: (MCS) on October 26, 2009, 9:21 pm

Joy of Painting, The - TV Shows
A great laid-back, educational program. One of the real reasons behind what public television was meant to be. R.I.P. Bob. -- Submitted By: (samhokum) on October 26, 2009, 8:54 pm

SpongeBob SquarePants - TV Shows
Previous comment quote: "Ever since the movie, the show itself has become a mere excuse for Nickelodeon to be able to air the same show every hour." I rest my case. -- Submitted By: (Idontlikefails) on October 26, 2009, 6:37 pm

Final Destination - Movie Series
I think that there's a bit too many of these movies. In fact, it boned after the first. The plot here is only good for 1 movie. Still though, you can spoof this movie (imagine if this series met High School Musical.) -- Submitted By: (Idontlikefails) on October 26, 2009, 6:21 pm

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (2003) - TV Shows
Peter Laird just sold out the TMNT to Viacom/Nickelodeon for $60 mil. Be afraid! -- Submitted By: (Travoltron) on October 26, 2009, 5:14 pm

Ellen (TV series) - TV Shows
This show was really funny at one point. I love Ellen's sense of humor and in the early going the show featured some classic hilarious moments like the Martha Stewart Thanksgiving episode. However, it seemed like it lost its edge after Ellen came out. Not because she was gay, but because they tried too hard to be PC and the crazy/care-free humor was a casualty of that serious-minded philosophy. -- Submitted By: (DianneF) on October 26, 2009, 3:43 pm

Eight Simple Rules - TV Shows
This was a good show until John Ritter unfortunately and unexpectedly passed away. Then it went to pot. Trying to shore it up by adding James Garner and David Spade only seem to mke it worse. Wehn John was alive, the show was about a father dealing with accepting his teenage daughters were dating and the sometimes humorous ways fathers react to the fact that their little girls are now women that men are interested in. when he passed away that was not possible and it became mostly about Katey Sagal putting up with David Spade's lame antics. -- Submitted By: (meQal) on October 26, 2009, 10:48 am

American South, The - Random Topics
Meqal -- If that's what makes a redneck, then I qualify, apart from the drawl! -- Submitted By: (Eugene) on October 26, 2009, 5:42 am

Twilight - Movie Series
I think we need our vampires to be more like the Dracula type (you know, suck blood, fear the sun, fear crosses, fear garlic, have skin white as paper, have fangs, et cetera)and less like the Edward type (you know, suck blood, fast as the Flash, hang in the woods, DON'T fear the sun, have super-agility, et cetera). -- Submitted By: (Idontlikefails) on October 25, 2009, 11:36 pm

Emperor's New Groove, The - Movie Series
I agree with MCS. Disney sequels suck worse than Disney LIVE-ACTION movies or shows. -- Submitted By: (Idontlikefails) on October 25, 2009, 11:24 pm

High School Musical - Movie Series
This movie is a disaster - more so than the upcoming "2012." At least NEITHER WILL ACTUALLY HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE!!! -- Submitted By: (Idontlikefails) on October 25, 2009, 11:17 pm

Dora the Explorer - TV Shows
THIS SHOW SUCKS. For me, there IS no educational value here. If a burglar came into my house, I wouldn't say, "SWIPER, NO SWIPING!!" I would dial fracking 9-1-1!!! (and yes, I am aware that I am swearing in galactican) Besides, if I wanted to be educated with something a little to kidsy for me, I'd buy a JumpStart game. (well, one that ranges from 3rd-6th grade.) -- Submitted By: (Idontlikefails) on October 25, 2009, 11:07 pm

Star Wars - Movie Series
Attack of the Clones boned it. This was the film that killed my suspense of reality to say that the little kid from Phantom became Darth Vader. Little grease monkey, believable. No way on some whiny emo teen. It redeemed itself a little with Sith, but Clones just boned. -- Submitted By: (rlargent) on October 25, 2009, 9:53 pm

Futurama - TV Shows
The show semi-boned with the movies-broken-into-episodes ordeal, although the movies were great (except the third). However, it's dis-semi-boned itself by being renewed. -- Submitted By: (rlargent) on October 25, 2009, 9:40 pm

Heroes - TV Shows
Everyone has powers. It's started to redeem itself this season with introducing characters who either don't have powers or have interesting powers that aren't explosive (figuratively and literally), such as Emma, and deciding to revisit old characters and arcs (Charlie in a few episodes, returning characters to their old lives). However, I don't think it's been fully disboned yet. -- Submitted By: (rlargent) on October 25, 2009, 9:34 pm

House - TV Shows
It boned itself with the new team. *However*, the show has successfully become the first in television history to disbone itself! The dropping of the new team and return of the old team has completed the reformation of the series. -- Submitted By: (rlargent) on October 25, 2009, 9:31 pm

Brett Favre - Celebrities
Undefeated? Not anymore, they lost to Pittsburgh earlier today. That Sears Blue Appliance Team commercial where the salesman basically called Favre a waffle who can't make up his own mind made me fall off my sofa in laughter. -- Submitted By: (ScottyB) on October 25, 2009, 9:23 pm

Parenting - Random Topics
The key thing people need to understand is that having kids is a choice. If you do not want to take the time to be a good parent, don't have them. (Or if you just plain don't like kids or don't want to parent, don't have them.) Many parents are stupid today because so many are just plain lazy and don't want to take the time to raise their kids right. I think these are the people who should not have children. If you do not want to take the time to properly raise another human being, then don't have kids. The childfree lifestyle is a great one for many, and much more suited than the "childed" lifestyle for those who do not want to devote so much of their life to a child. It's shocking how many people think kids are an obligation or "just something everyone does eventually." If people would think this decision through and realize it's optional, the amount of bad parents out there could be reduced. -- Submitted By: (KungFuSpinda) on October 25, 2009, 6:14 pm

One Day at a Time - TV Shows
I used to watch the show and liked it back then but now it's disturbing to me because the whole premise was that Ann decided to uproot her kids from all their friends and family then move them into a dumpy apartment in a new city all because SHE was bored with her marriage to their father. Not abused, not cheated on, not neglected by- just BORED and at no point in all her arguments she had with or about her ex did she ever hint that there was anything beyond her personal boredom motivating her). At least in the end she apologized to her baby granddaughter's father for having contributed having inspired Julie's leaving them high and dry because SHE was bored. And, irony of ironies, Mackenzie Phillips now says that the show's family was far more stable than her actual family was when she was a teen. Yikes! -- Submitted By: (Pelirojo) on October 25, 2009, 4:54 pm

Tom and Jerry - TV Shows
Don't think I've forgotten the Hanna Barbera travesty of the early 80's in which T+J became FRIENDS! Yeesh! And what was worse they became interchangable bores! -- Submitted By: (Pelirojo) on October 25, 2009, 4:39 pm

Hazel - TV Shows
While I give it credit that it fleshed out the one-panel strip considerably so that Hazel was beyond just giving wisecracks with her employers being unable to respond (and Shirley Booth made her more likable); I thought it was a bit much for them to dump the original employers (George and Dorothy Baxter) and send them off to the Middle East (?!) and then had Hazel go for George's kid bro (who looked at least a generation younger) and his wife with George and Dorothy's son Harold in tow so he wouldn't disrupt his education! Yeah, I know that the show changed networks and the big shots simply decided to revamp it a bit but still. . Of course, it was interesting that for all Hazel's organizing stunts for fellow housekeepers in their toney suburb, she never seemed to know a single African-American housekeeper( the one occupation for African- Americans that WAS consistantly depicted on television from its earliest days)! -- Submitted By: (Pelirojo) on October 25, 2009, 4:35 pm

Jay Leno Show, The - TV Shows
NBC put everything they had into this show to get out of last place in the ratings? A test pattern at 10pm could suck in more viewers than Jay's new show. -- Submitted By: (samhokum) on October 25, 2009, 4:28 pm

Wife Swap - TV Shows
Now Mrs. Heene claims that the whole balloon deal was a hoax designed to generated publicity for their own 'reality' show! BAH! I can't see why anyone watching that footage would have not known that there was NO WAY that balloon could have been sturdy enough to carry that child. It barely looked sturdy enough to float on its own in the family released footage. Heck, even Lucy Carmichael's floating away while clutching a bunch of balloons looked more believable! Shame on them for not only sending so many folks on a wild goose chase but insisting their children LIE to the authorities and media just to promote a show. Poor Falcon having his conscience get the better of his stomach twice on national television despite (and because of) parental pressure! I hope the parents didn't go down on him for that off camera (especially Mr. Heene who seems as levelheaded as Beldar Conehead). And it's interesting in the reams of well-deserved criticism for that crummy alleged stunt, no one seems to have picked up Mr. Heene using needless profanity to his wife in front of their small children in the video they themselves released. Have we become so jaded that we don't care about that? What more has to happen before we DUMP the entire concept of 'reality' shows using minors back on the ash heap where it richly deserved to stay for 20 years after the "Loud Family" fiasco? -- Submitted By: (Pelirojo) on October 25, 2009, 3:53 pm

American South, The - Random Topics
I have lived in the South my entire life. In that time I have been called a redneck many times. I don't mind because to those not from the South, I might seem that way. I talk with a Southern drawl, wear clothing until they wear out instead of chasing fashion trends, save items that I can find a use for in some other fashion than it was originaly used for, would rather spend time in a forrest than in a crowded city, and don't feel I need to dress to impress people. I could care less about so call social graces and idiotic rituals to seem like I am something I am not. I rather be accepted for who I am not what I look like or do. So if that means I am a redneck from the South, then so be it. -- Submitted By: (meQal) on October 25, 2009, 3:50 pm

Westboro Baptist Church - Random Topics
This is not a church, this is a hate group. They claim to be a church to use the tax exempt status that churches have as a non-profit organization. -- Submitted By: (meQal) on October 25, 2009, 3:33 pm

Saturday Morning Cartoons - Random Topics
I agree that saturday morning cartoons began to fade once NBC started pulling cartoons and replacing them with syrupy teen sitcoms or shows that were precursors to reality shows. A lot of disinformation from wingnut family/parental "watchdog" groups with their own agendas helped start this process too. You could turn on the TV news at that time & hear silly controversies questioning if the Smurfs encouraged witchcraft, or if Mighty Mouse was a cokehead and if Looney Tunes characters trained kids to be violent. Sadly, a fun tradition for kids (and kids at heart) lost in my opinion, due to a lot of scare-mongering spread by those groups. -- Submitted By: (samhokum) on October 25, 2009, 3:04 pm

Brett Favre - Celebrities
NEVER BONED. Did you see his REGULAR SEASON games as a Viking? They're UNDEFEATED, including a HUGE win over the Packers (Aaron Rodgers just pales in comparison) -- Submitted By: (Burmy) on October 25, 2009, 10:12 am

Amir Khan - Celebrities
Wait...wasn't he a Backyard Sports star? Whatever happened to his older brother Achmed? (they were a pure FORCE together) -- Submitted By: (Burmy) on October 25, 2009, 10:07 am

Peter Pan (Disney) - Movie Series
Two people are rolling in their graves: not only Walt, but this time Jim Barrie too! (author of the original Peter Pan story) -- Submitted By: (Burmy) on October 25, 2009, 9:59 am

Doctor Who - TV Shows
To quimbyt: I challenge you to watch the 2005 two-parter "The Empty Child"/"The Doctor Dances" and then tell me you hate British sci-fi. It was an extremely well-written episode and proof that Christopher Eccleston was an excellent choice to be the Ninth Doctor (as an aside, it was a shame he had to go after just one season). -- Submitted By: (markrabo) on October 25, 2009, 9:22 am

Pinky and the Brain - TV Shows
It's time for another Good Idea-Bad Idea. Good Idea: Spin off the most successful segment of my favorite TV show growing up. (Pinky and the Brain) Bad Idea: Add a character that, while cool on her own, ruins the balance of the series. (Elmyra) The End. -- Submitted By: (Burmy) on October 25, 2009, 6:05 am

When Animals Attack! - TV Shows
One bit of trivia about this series: On the night that NBC aired the series finale of Seinfeld, Fox countered with "Farewell to When Animals Attack." (A year or so later, Fox aired a couple of shows called "When Good Pets Go Bad," which arguably could be construed as flip-flopping on the same level as Brett Favre.) -- Submitted By: (markrabo) on October 24, 2009, 11:44 pm

Quantum Leap - TV Shows
This show darn came near boning the fish once: I once remember reading in TV Guide (back in '92, I think it was) that an animated episode was in the works (in which Sam would have leapt into a cartoon character). No, I am NOT making that up--this web page also mentions it: http://stason.org/TULARC/art/anime-faq/53-What-S-This-About-Quantum-Leap-And-Akira.html -- Submitted By: (markrabo) on October 24, 2009, 11:26 pm

WCW Monday Nitro - TV Shows
FYI I also voted for the "Fingerpoke of Doom" because that undermined the credibility of WCW's creative team long before David Arquette came along. I'd like to add that WCW's high point came in September 1998 (the reunion of the Four Horsemen in Greenville, SC) when Ric Flair proceeded to shoot on Eric Bischoff, one of a number of greedy, selfish ego-maniacs who took his turn running WCW into the ground. -- Submitted By: (markrabo) on October 24, 2009, 11:16 pm

3 2 1 Contact - TV Shows
It's a shame PBS hasn't found a way to revive this show; it did for science what Square One TV did for math, Where In The World Is Carmen Sandiego did for geography and The Electric Company did for basic English: It made learning about science fun. -- Submitted By: (markrabo) on October 24, 2009, 11:03 pm

Mary-Kate and Ashley Olsen - Celebrities
What happened to these two? Pretty obvious: PUBERTY. They milked the "twins" gag of its last drop, and grew up from undersized kids into adult midgets-- then they went CRAZY... like ALL child-stars. -- Submitted By: (SarahGoodwich) on October 24, 2009, 5:42 am

Verizon - Random Topics
That nerd. Someone shoot him already. -- Submitted By: (FlxibleMetro9150) on October 24, 2009, 5:04 am

Ice Cube - Celebrities
Are we there yet? Need I say more? -- Submitted By: (FlxibleMetro9150) on October 24, 2009, 4:58 am

Drew Carey Show, The - TV Shows
This show was too self-indulgent to watch, and the plots were too unbelievable-- i.e. Mimi getting a job by threatening to sue if she didn't, etc. No one would work with that insufferable bitch, and she isn't as funny as they seem to think she is, while Drew is a wimp with stupid friends. The main problem, however, is that the show was just a Sitcome version of "Whose Line is it Anyway?" and they treated the "Fourth Wall" like a revolving door, constantingly going into stupid audience-segments, and song-and-dance routines right out of "Fame." By getting ahold of the old shows, I was able to watch the entire series in a matter of days, and it wasn't that funny; every episode was so devoid of content, that I couldn't possibly watch one episode a week like I could with something like "Frasier" or "Just Shoot Me--" particularly since they used a sequential story-arc rather than the more independent format of the other shows. The story was also implausible; first Drew's just a loser-geek, but then he becomes a successful band-leader right off the bat, then he gets accepted for a job at Six Flags as manager-- oh, but Mimi lies about him and he can't get ANY job! The whole thing was just stupid and made no sense. -- Submitted By: (SarahGoodwich) on October 24, 2009, 12:50 am

Dexter's Laboratory - TV Shows
DL didn't BTF with Season 2-- it ENDED. Season 3 was just GRAVE-ROBBING; the animation and writing both went to CRAP! Christine Cavenaugh does "Dexxx-TER!" like no one else possibly could; it was bad enough when Kat Cressida took over for the voice of Deedee, but when CC retired, you KNEW it was history. The key word in "Last but not Beast" is LAST-- and it should have stayed that way, but the vultures at Cartoon Network just had to beat that dead cash-cow dry of its last nickel, instead of letting it die with dignity. They dould tie some strings to Michael Jackson's dead body and make him dance a few more shows like a puppet, if it made a buck. -- Submitted By: (SarahGoodwich) on October 24, 2009, 12:37 am

Family Guy - TV Shows
This used to be one of my favorite shows it used to clever and original and the characters had morals, then they had to change them Peter from a good-natured fool with a kind heart to an abusive asshole who's mentally retarded, Lois went from a kind but annoyed woman to a rude nymphomaniac, Stewie went from a super intelligent homicidal megalomaniac to whimpy, effeminate, and less intelligent, Brian from the voice of reason to a liberal atheist, douchebag, dog who has sex with human women, and Meg went from average teenage girl with average problems to an abused and hated by everyone individual, and the new episodes are filled to the brim with too much graphic adult humor, long pointless cutaway jokes, and dead baby comedy. -- Submitted By: (comic_guy87) on October 23, 2009, 11:44 pm

Boondocks, The - TV Shows
Racist, my foot. The show skewered Black Entertainment Television (BET) on a number of occasions, such as the Peabody Award-winning episode "Return of the King." Its main character (Huey Freeman) hated any media that pandered to stereotypes about African-Americans being materialistic, extravagant and/or ignorant. If you wanted me to point out a black-oriented show that was racist, I'd point out "Homeboys From Outer Space" and "The Secret Diary of Desmond Pfeiffer" (both UPN sitcoms from 1996, both of which were severely and justifiably criticized). -- Submitted By: (markrabo) on October 23, 2009, 4:27 pm

Jeopardy! - TV Shows
I don't like how the "answers" increasingly give away clues as to what the correct "question" is. Like if the question is "What is Alaska?" then the answer will be something like "Sarah Palin, 2008 Republican vice-presidential candidate, hailed from this, the largest of the 50 United States." As for Alex Trebek losing the mustache, as time goes by it's easier to understand. In 1984, a lot of people did (watch a tape of that year's World Series for proof). Today, who wears just a mustache anymore? Mainly people over 50 who got used to it when they were in their 30s. -- Submitted By: (markrabo) on October 23, 2009, 4:17 pm

Tic Tac Dough - TV Shows
I agree that the Wink Martindale era was the height of Tic Tac Dough and his departure (to do a game show he created called Headline Chasers) pretty much left TTD with Texas-sized shoes to fill. I'll always remember how he said "yesss!" every time a contestant got a question right, and of course, the Friday hat days (I remember this one time he really hammed it up with this hat designed after the dragon from the bonus round). -- Submitted By: (markrabo) on October 23, 2009, 4:11 pm

Married with Children - TV Shows
Some of the earlier episodes of MWC were among the best comedy ever in the '80s (e.g. the one where Santa fell off the Bundys' roof, and the one where Buck, the Bundys' dog, got a credit card and Al proceeded to use it as if it were money). Then at some point, Al went dumb and got into depressing situations, Buck got a voice, and MWC depended far more on curvy women in short skirts or tight dresses for its ratings. I stopped watching the show long before that "Seven" kid showed up. -- Submitted By: (markrabo) on October 23, 2009, 4:00 pm

Jackass - TV Shows
Jackass was at its best when the cast members did certain funny stunts (e.g. the BMX Joust with Brandon Dicamillo and Bam Margera, or the shopping cart stunts) or pulled pranks at each other's expense. When you involve other people, regardless of how much they dislike it or don't want to be involved (e.g. Johnny Knoxville loading up on beans and then farting in yoga class, or Knoxville going to a convenience store with no pants on in order to poke fun at the "no shirt, no shoes, no service" sign), then it's not funny. The "no pants at the convenience store" bit was when it boned for me. -- Submitted By: (markrabo) on October 23, 2009, 3:43 pm

Super Why! - TV Shows
I'm not sure if this show belongs here. It's inoffensive, bland and repetitive, although it does an ok job of balancing education and learning. At least according to my cousins (well not in those words of course). Still, it's hard to jump a shark when the quality of the program can't really slip, or rise for that matter. -- Submitted By: (trytoguess) on October 23, 2009, 1:47 pm

Tyler Perry's House of Payne - TV Shows
I've watched some episodes and I find the characters to be annoying and idiotic. I did enjoy one scene where Curtis dreamed he was married to Madea, but that's only because the bratty girl in the show finally got disciplined for her atrocious attitude. -- Submitted By: (trytoguess) on October 23, 2009, 1:41 pm

Westboro Baptist Church - Random Topics
I agree with you both! Some Christians the Westboro "Baptist Church" members are. What about "judge not lest ye be judged"? What about "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"? The Jesus I know preaches love, tolerance, and forgiveness. As he was being crucified, Jesus pleaded with God to forgive those putting him to death. The only thing this so-called "church" is doing for the world is reinforcing the negative stereotypes anti-religious people have against people of faith. -- Submitted By: (Robert) on October 23, 2009, 11:45 am

Hell's Kitchen (U.S.) - TV Shows
Initially, I couldn't stand Gordon Ramsay's berating his chefs, but once it became clear that it was how he most effectively got the best out of them, it was easier to sit back and laugh at some of his comments ("Even the dirtiest, scummiest Italian restaurant in Venice Beach cooks spaghetti to order, you donkey"). What I don't like is when certain people are cast more for their personality and/or probability of clashing with Chef Ramsay than for their cooking skills. Let's have an HK season where eliminations are tough from the get-go! I'd also like Scott Liebfried to get his own HK (I call him America's Culinary Cop because every time he gets on a chef's case, he sounds like he's about to arrest him for some "culinary infraction"). -- Submitted By: (markrabo) on October 23, 2009, 9:12 am

BattleBots - TV Shows
Comedy Central cancelled the show due to declining ratings, because it was becoming evident that two kinds of 'bots would win every time: The kind with the spinning blades (e.g. Ziggo, my personal favorite--I'll never forget how it trashed Scrap Daddy LW55) and the wedge-shaped kind with the actuated arm that could flip opposing 'bots (e.g. Vlad the Impaler, from the heavyweight division). After a couple of years, it was getting to be the same thing over and over. -- Submitted By: (markrabo) on October 23, 2009, 7:36 am

MADtv - TV Shows
I'm split between "Will Sasso leaves" (his Kenny Rogers' Jackass skits were the ONLY funny skits in the history of that show) and "sucked from the start" (because I saw the first one hoping it would be like MAD magazine--parodies of TV and movies, animated and/or live-action reenactments of Dave Berg's and Don Martin's cartoons, and so on). The only parts worthy of the MAD name were the animated Spy vs. Spy cartoons) and the aforementioned Kenny Rogers' Jackass skits. -- Submitted By: (markrabo) on October 23, 2009, 7:20 am

Westboro Baptist Church - Random Topics
I just call these jerks "The Westboro Mob of A-holes." They don't deserve to be referred to as Baptist or as a church. -- Submitted By: (Mythigator) on October 23, 2009, 7:11 am

Degrassi: The Next Generation - TV Shows
This is actually a pretty good show. I should be too old for this but the characters are interesting and the subject matter is more realistic than other teenybopper shows. The show has always been ripe for BTF with new characters and deaths and people leaving but it never quite reaches that level yet. -- Submitted By: (JamesO) on October 22, 2009, 7:40 pm

Emergency! - TV Shows
Someone must really hate Dawn Lyn. They made a big deal about it on the Wonder Woman thread too because she fell in love with the character that was played by her brother (which I must admit does not look good). Anyway it seems someone has an obsession with this actress and trying to get all the posters to focus on her. Anyway, I liked Emergency! as a kid. -- Submitted By: (JamesO) on October 22, 2009, 7:32 pm

Knight Rider (2008) - TV Shows
I wish this remake got more of a chance. It sucked that it was a Ford commercial but could have been an interesting show since they were re-tooling it to be more like the original w/ Michael more on his own than an entire team helping him from what looked like the bridge from the Starship enterprise. -- Submitted By: (JamesO) on October 22, 2009, 7:25 pm

Keith Olbermann - Celebrities
I had nothing against Keith. He had a good style in regards to sports but in opinion he is sorely lacking and this is coming from someone closer to his politics then his arch-rival O'Reilly. He BTF to be when I realized that he never engages people with opinions different than his. If he doesn't want arguing on his show that's fine but he should man-up and debate someone and we can see if he can back up his strong opinions. If he can do that I will have more respect for him. -- Submitted By: (JamesO) on October 22, 2009, 6:15 pm

Tom and Jerry - TV Shows
Sometime between the classic 'Hanna Barbera' and the later 'Chuck Jones' cartoons, something strange happened. MGM decided to revive Tom & Jerry by giving it to a Czechoslovakian producer - Gene Deitch. The results were badly animated, and even worse-sounding cartoons which bizarely are still shown occasionally today. They might have been just about watchable if it wasn't for the weird noises and music played throughout - which made them sound like being in the middle of a nightmare. Tom & Jerry never recovered in my opinion, and even though the Chuck Jones shorts were much better than the Deitch ones, they couldn't touch the genius of the Hanna Barbera / Fred Quimby cartoons. -- Submitted By: (Phil.JS) on October 22, 2009, 3:49 pm

Parenting - Random Topics
That is an interesting point. I suppose the question is, why is this happening? What's changed in the past however many years to influence kids to behave this way? -- Submitted By: (ExplodingConsole) on October 22, 2009, 1:00 pm

Robocop - Movie Series
Robocop 3 is worser then Robocop 2, first, 3 is PG-13 wheras 2 was R. -- Submitted By: (Matthew6248) on October 22, 2009, 11:16 am

Public Libraries - Random Topics
Ah, card catalogs -- memories of my youth. In all of the public libraries and school libraries of my youth (just after the invention of fire ), this was the only way to look anything up. Fortunately, when I got to University, they had just introduced computerized searching, and while they still had the card catalog, it was a dusty relic that was consigned to oblivion in a year or so. I wouldn't have relished having to do all the research I had to do at a huge University library on a conventional card catalog! I used to have fun with the computerized searching system, trying to generate search strings that would crash the system (such as requesting a list of all publications in the library with an 'e' in the title). -- Submitted By: (Eugene) on October 22, 2009, 6:05 am

Nintendo Wii - Random Topics
I remember Mega Man 2. I loved that game. Even to this day, its music is still fun to listen to. However, I think we need to remember that the race to make games that have better graphics, sound and game play, games that are bigger, longer, more epic etc is something that has always been with us. Remember back when the SNES was coming out and they got us all excited over what at the time felt like the amazing graphics it was going to have? Even during the development of the NES, they were always improving on the gaphics etc of the games. I admit that I never had a Nintendo 64 or a Gamecube. I got into PC gaming around the time the N64 came out and was getting popular. I'm not 100% sure why I didn't get into N64. Rather then risk a lot of incorrect guesses, I'll just leave it at that. Yes, I definitely get that feeling of nostalgia when even just seeing SNES or NES games I loved back in the day. Sometimes it really can feel only like yesterday that I played them. Yes, in some ways, the newer (well, not so newer any more, really, it started with the N64 in general) 3D games just aren't the same. Yes, I miss the simpler days of being able to plug a cartridge into the console and to just play. I think that just because one enjoys the new games doesn't mean they didn't love the old games. Yes, it some (perhaps many) cases it won't be the same. I understand that, but at the same time, I think what we're just seeing a natural progression that's been going on since day 1. -- Submitted By: (ExplodingConsole) on October 22, 2009, 2:11 am

Classical music - Random Topics
Always a genre you can revisit and revisit all generations of your life and feel at peace. And I do appreciate a classical concert the occasional time I attend one. -- Submitted By: (ocfernan) on October 21, 2009, 8:53 pm

Dell - Random Topics
1st laptop -- motherboard problems after 1st year, difficult tech support to understand, sound card defective after less than 1st year. 2nd laptop -- a motherboard replacement 1st year and 2nd year, power adapter replacement, hard drive replacement 2nd year, finally power adaptor slot no longer worked so could not recharge. -- I also got repair money back because my model was a winner of a class action lawsuit on defective parts. Too much experienced proof that Dell laptops suck! -- Submitted By: (ocfernan) on October 21, 2009, 8:50 pm

Public Libraries - Random Topics
Still a wonderful institution. Borrowing DVDs is a good thing and honestly kept me a loyal library goer. How else can you see loads of movies esp when you can't afford to? (I don't think I would recommend Netflix or another monthly service if you're unemployed.) Library catalog kiosks and web sites over the years also made searching for periodicals easier than ever. (Yes, I remember the card catalog days and believe me, I definitely don't miss them!) -- Submitted By: (ocfernan) on October 21, 2009, 8:43 pm

Pirates - Random Topics
Ever since the Somalia accounts of real-life pirates, the pop culture fantasies had faded off for me. I don't even think I can see the next Pirates of the Carribean movie the same anymore. -- Submitted By: (ocfernan) on October 21, 2009, 8:38 pm

Just Shoot Me - TV Shows
This show was hilarious! The funniest episode, IMHO, was the ones with Elliot's brother. This guy was a total con-artist, who had fallen out of a tree when he was a kid, and for his entire life since then, pretended to be very "simple" from the head injury, so people would be nice to him. If anyone asked him a question he didn't want to answer, he'd just say "Chicken pot, chicken pot, chicken pot PIE!!" He had everyone totally convinced. Then, he had to come clean because he thought Maya was hot and was wanting to hook up with her and did'nt want her to think he was an idiot. -- Submitted By: (Stephanie) on October 21, 2009, 11:27 am

Tony Awards - Random Topics
The biggest collection of drama queens in one room all accepting awards like they are doing a scene from "Macbeth". -- Submitted By: (Stephanie) on October 21, 2009, 8:55 am

Parenting - Random Topics
I am not so sure about that...yes, a lot of complains about "Kids today" can mostly chalk up to the normal generation conflict. Kids have a different idea about politness aso. And that is okay. But I don't even understand people who are only five years or less younger than me. When I was in school, it wasn't unusual for the boys in my class to scruffle sometimes. But they had some kind of codex. Watching the younger kids shortly before I left school I noticed that they didn't follow this codex anymore. For them it was totally normal to kick a fallen opponent in the face. The children in my class begann to experiment with alkohol and smoking around the age of 14. Later there were eleven years old in front of the school, having a smoke. When I began to attend university I had to sit in the first 10 rows to made sure that I could follow the course undisturbed. Later I had to sit in the first two rows, or it was likely that I wouldn't understand anything what the professor said. -- Submitted By: (Swanpride) on October 20, 2009, 8:56 pm

Alvin and the Chipmunks (Live action/CGI film) - Movie Series
The ONLY thing worse than the Jonas Brothers (well, maybe not THAT bad) is this pile of garbage that dares to ripoff the once-legendary trio. The songs sound awful, the chipmunks look NOTHING like the originals (they're probably impostors), and there is ABSOLUTELY NO HUMOR. What a horrible way to revive a once-famous fictional trio. -- Submitted By: (Idontlikefails) on October 20, 2009, 8:11 pm

Westboro Baptist Church - Random Topics
These sickening a-holes may wish to actually crack open a Bible some day to find out what being a Christian really means. -- Submitted By: (BrewMaster) on October 20, 2009, 7:53 pm

Nickelodeon - Random Topics
I'm afraid you are wrong, quimbyt. NOTHING on that network is even worth a small glance. -- Submitted By: (Idontlikefails) on October 20, 2009, 4:27 pm

Ed, Edd N Eddy - TV Shows
By far, this show pwns all others. Great animation, great voices, & (of course) GREAT humor. Certainly better than CN's newer cartoons, as well. -- Submitted By: (Idontlikefails) on October 20, 2009, 4:03 pm

Parenting - Random Topics
I would seem that in any era, kids are kids and teens are teens. Just like adults are adults. It's easy forget that we were once that age and no different (in manor of speaking). Yes, it's ironic that as adults, we may well find ourselves acting the same as the adults of our time as kids and teens. While people do seem more vocal in this day and age about 'the kids of today', consider that nowadays people have a lot more venues to express that concern. The Internet allows us to express (and to see others express) what perhaps before we could only express in letters to the editor and among friends or co-workers. In short, I think we're seeing so much more of it now simply because increased communications have allowed us to. It also allows us to (via the activities of kids and teens online) to see perhaps unfiltered access to their thoughts and feelings about things. The same thoughts (at least in spirit) that again, people have probably always had. I'm sure that if the Internet existed 20 years ago as it does now that people would have been saying the same things. That's not to say that I'm blaming the problems with "the kids of today" on the Internet. It's more that it's showing us problems that have always existed via the increased communication that it's created. In the end, I think this is a problem that isn't going to go away because it's an issue that's always existed. While that may seem pessimistic, remember that they *will* grow up. Just as we look back and remember some of our bad behaviour and cringe, they will too. -- Submitted By: (ExplodingConsole) on October 20, 2009, 2:42 pm

Reality Television - Random Topics
The only reality shows I could somewhat tolerate, were the ones that actually HELPED people, (Extreme Home Makeover, Biggest Loser) but now, even those are all about fake drama. -- Submitted By: (Stephanie) on October 20, 2009, 2:23 pm

American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) - Random Topics
The ACLU maintains that they are against all forms of censorship. I guess someone never told them that banning prayers in public places and trying to eradicate a war memorial in the shape of a cross is exactly that: CENSORSHIP. And now, (thanks to Travoltron for pointing it out!) they have no problem with censoring the display of flags. AMERICAN Civil Liberties Union, my ass. Yet they fight for the rights of hate groups, terrorists, pederasts, and criminals. -- Submitted By: (Robert) on October 20, 2009, 11:36 am

Twilight - Movie Series
I'm beginning to see why so many people think vampires suck... -- Submitted By: (Robert) on October 20, 2009, 11:20 am


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